Weave
👤 Brandon Rodman (Co-founder and first CEO; nearly went broke in 2013, then bet the company on one boring feature - the office phone.)🌐 siteLinkedIn
Two Utah brothers and an engineer bet the company on the one thing a dental office can never rip out: its phone.
Will it work? · our read
Deep beats broad. It owned the dullest slot in the dental office - the phone - and grew it into a $239M public company. Yet 18 years in, it still runs a net loss.
01How the money moves
Practice installs Weave phones + syncs its practice-management software
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Front desk runs calls, texts, reminders, reviews and payments in one app
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Practice pays a per-location monthly subscription - recurring SaaS revenue
02The numbers
$239M
FY2025 net revenue
10-K FY25
35K+
practice locations (end 2024)
10-K FY24
98%
net revenue retention
10-K
Revenue and retention are FILED from SEC 10-K filings (NYSE: WEAV); FY2025 net loss was $28.1M. SEC 10-K
FY2025 net revenue $239M (up from $170.5M in 2023), but still a net loss of about $28M in 2024.
03Weight class — CENTStap an axis
Control Mid
Owns each location's phone number, hardware and call data, but depends on third-party PMS integrations it does not own.
04The key move
Own the phone line
Rather than build another dental marketing app, Weave replaced the office phone and wired it into the practice-management software. When a patient calls, their chart pops up so the front desk can't rip it out.
fact
The counter-intuitive move
The phone is also the trap for Weave itself: hardware and telecom drag margins, so after 18 years it still posts a net loss.
our read
05Where the moat is
Weave's lock-in is physical and clinical, not just software:
Call fused to the patient chart via the PMSOwns the office phone number + hardwareSwitching means rewiring the whole front desk35K+ locations, dense in dental referrals
06How it diesmedium confidence
If Podium or a practice-management giant like Dentrix bundles the same phone-plus-text layer natively, Weave's edge commoditizes. Losing about $28M a year, it may not reach durable profit before that day. our read
Show evidence · counter
Evidence: FY2025 net loss $28.1M; accumulated deficit about $319M; NRR about 98% (below 100%); Podium, Solutionreach, RevenueWell and Dentrix all target the same practices.
Counter: A phone system nobody rips out, 35K locations and about 20% annual growth give Weave real staying power; the base holds even at sub-100% NRR.
07Against rivals
Bars are rough US presence in patient comms, not audited share; prices are approximate published ranges. our read
08Who uses it
Dental practicesOptometry officesVeterinary clinicsMed spasSpecialty medical SMBs
★Would it work for you?
What is the most boring, always-on workflow in a niche you can already reach - the one users would hate to rip out once it is installed?
Weave chose the phone, not the marketing. Where is your unsexy, rip-out-proof wedge? We don't score you — you answer.
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You are a sharp, honest startup strategist. Use the proven case below as a launchpad for MY idea — help me find my own angle, not copy it.
<my_profile>
Domain I know: [your domain]
My unfair advantage (access/audience): [your edge]
Interests: [your interests]
Resources & goal: [your resources] · [your goal]
</my_profile>
<case name="Weave" model="saas">
What it does: Weave sells dental, optometry and veterinary practices a cloud phone, text and payments platform wired into their practice-management software, billed per location each month.
Why it won (moat): Weave owns each location's phone number and hardware and fuses every incoming call to the patient's chart, so switching means rewiring the entire front desk.
Weakest axis (CENTS): Weave still loses about $28M a year with net revenue retention under 100%, while horizontal rivals and PMS incumbents can bundle the same comms layer.
How it could die: Weave dies if a practice-management giant or a horizontal player commoditizes the phone-plus-text layer before Weave reaches durable profit.
</case>
<task>
Be a skeptical operator, not a cheerleader. No generic startup platitudes. If my angle is weak, say so plainly.
First, a reality check: markets like this mostly fail. State the honest base rate (how crowded/hard is this?) and the ONE specific thing that would have to be true for ME to be the exception — grounded in my profile above.
Then a compact table:
- Fit — does this pattern suit my edge, or fight my gap?
- Angle — my sharpest differentiation vs Weave (concrete, not "better UX")
- Distribution — exactly where my first 100 users come from (this is the hardest part — be specific, not "content marketing")
- Risk — its "how it dies" (above) in MY situation
Finish with one line: "The single thing to do next."
Use only the facts above; if data is thin, say so — never invent numbers.
Then stay with me and go deeper on whatever I ask — tech stack, rough cost & time, the smallest MVP to test, pricing, or timing.
</task>
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Sourcesupdated · daily
TechCrunch: An AT&T for Dentistry (2014)SEC 10-K: FY2025 revenue $239MSEC: Q3 2024 results (locations, NRR)Y Combinator: Weave (W14) is going publicUtah Business: How Brandon Rodman founded Weave
Revenue and operating metrics are FILED from Weave's SEC filings (NYSE: WEAV): FY2023 $170.5M, FY2024 $204.3M, FY2025 $239M net revenue; FY2025 net loss $28.1M; accumulated deficit about $319M; about 35,000 practice locations and 30,000+ customers at end-2024; net revenue retention about 98% (Q3 2024). Founding (Sept 2008, Provo, Utah, by Brandon Rodman, Jared Rodman and Clint Berry), the near-death 2013 pivot, YC W14 and the 'AT&T for dentistry' launch (200+ customers) are from TechCrunch, YC and Utah Business. All three founders had left before the November 2021 IPO; current CEO is Brett White. Competitor prices in rivals are approximate public ranges, not first-party; presence bars are rough, not audited market share. [our read] tags mark my interpretation (the 'trap' counter and the pre-mortem). We never score you.